I have a controversial idea

DodgeIt · 2012-07-18, 05:46 AM

How about we wait till beta and we have a hands on before we start screaming about this or that being over powered?

I keep reading thread after thread about how this or that will cause greifing, or that A) will be too powerful compared to B)

I cant be the only one thinking this can I?

I fully expect to receive a mass of abuse etc for this.

But can we wait till beta or we get our hands on it before we judge the game from Alpha footage and a few video clips with a handful or people in before we grab the pitch forks and scream for blood?

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Klockan · 2012-07-18, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by DodgeIt

How about we wait till beta and we have a hands on before we start screaming about this or that being over powered?

How about we close down this forum since only people who have actually played the game really have anything to talk about? If people want to discuss things with the limited information we have then it is their choice, this is how they want to spend their time. If you don't want people to discuss things like this but still see the newsflow you can go to a gaming newssite or something.

ringring · 2012-07-18, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by DodgeIt

How about we wait till beta and we have a hands on before we start screaming about this or that being over powered?

I keep reading thread after thread about how this or that will cause greifing, or that A) will be too powerful compared to B)

I cant be the only one thinking this can I?

I fully expect to receive a mass of abuse etc for this.

But can we wait till beta or we get our hands on it before we judge the game from Alpha footage and a few video clips with a handful or people in before we grab the pitch forks and scream for blood?

x

You're not the only one, there are killjoys everywhere.

therandomone · 2012-07-18, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by DodgeIt

How about we wait till beta and we have a hands on before we start screaming about this or that being over powered?

I keep reading thread after thread about how this or that will cause greifing, or that A) will be too powerful compared to B)

I cant be the only one thinking this can I?

I fully expect to receive a mass of abuse etc for this.

But can we wait till beta or we get our hands on it before we judge the game from Alpha footage and a few video clips with a handful or people in before we grab the pitch forks and scream for blood?

x

Blasphemy! Burn the heretic!

But seriously, I do agree with you. Its too early for people to start bitching and moaning about this we know less about than quantum mechanics.

DodgeIt · 2012-07-18, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Klockan

How about we close down this forum since only people who have actually played the game really have anything to talk about? If people want to discuss things with the limited information we have then it is their choice, this is how they want to spend their time. If you don't want people to discuss things like this but still see the newsflow you can go to a gaming newssite or something.

I'm not saying that we can't discuss it at all, far from it. But a lot of people are talking about absolutes rather than discussions.
I'm probably not getting what im trying to say across very well....

Rago · 2012-07-18, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by DodgeIt

How about we wait till beta and we have a hands on before we start screaming about this or that being over powered?

I keep reading thread after thread about how this or that will cause greifing, or that A) will be too powerful compared to B)

I cant be the only one thinking this can I?

I fully expect to receive a mass of abuse etc for this.

But can we wait till beta or we get our hands on it before we judge the game from Alpha footage and a few video clips with a handful or people in before we grab the pitch forks and scream for blood?

x

I like this, but you fault was being with the NC XD

Zulthus · 2012-07-18, 06:00 AM

How about we stop telling people to wait for beta and let them voice their concerns now? I think that'd be a good idea. You know, because we're on forums and stuff.

Carnage · 2012-07-18, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Klockan

How about we close down this forum since only people who have actually played the game really have anything to talk about? If people want to discuss things with the limited information we have then it is their choice, this is how they want to spend their time. If you don't want people to discuss things like this but still see the newsflow you can go to a gaming newssite or something.

OP has a point, just look at this pointless thread making claims before even being able to play and test said proposed concern...oh, wait... it was made by you... what a coincidence... trolling douche is both troll and douche...

Xyntech · 2012-07-18, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by Klockan

How about we close down this forum since only people who have actually played the game really have anything to talk about? If people want to discuss things with the limited information we have then it is their choice, this is how they want to spend their time. If you don't want people to discuss things like this but still see the newsflow you can go to a gaming newssite or something.

There is a difference between discussing hypotheticals and suggesting possible solutions to potential problems we see, versus making unfounded claims that x will break the game or y is definitively unbalanced with no good comparable example to give as proof.

The devs haven't even been focusing on balance issues until recently, and will need data and feedback from larger scale beta tests before they can really nail a lot of this stuff down.

However there are still some things which are clearly design choices and not merely some static slider which can just be tweaked in beta. There are also some things which can be clearly seen in gameplay footage without a need to get a hands on look.

It's just as foolish to claim that there are no legitimate balance topics that we can currently dissect as it is to scream and bitch about every little thing which doesn't yet seem up to par in this unpolished build of the game.

In general I agree with DodgeIt's sentiment that we need to keep level heads and see how a lot of this stuff plays out in beta, but there are still a lot of things to discuss so long as we keep some perspective on our (and the developers) current lack of hard data on large scale playtests.

DodgeIt · 2012-07-18, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

How about we stop telling people to wait for beta and let them voice their concerns now? I think that'd be a good idea. You know, because we're on forums and stuff.

I'm not saying that either, i'm just saying people could say "I think THIS could be a problem, how do you think they will handle THIS or implement THIS" Rather than going "THIS will ruin the game. What the hell are they thinking?!" on things we don't know for sure are going to be in the game or are the final product?

Zulthus · 2012-07-18, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by DodgeIt

I'm not saying that either, i'm just saying people could say "I think THIS could be a problem, how do you think they will handle THIS or implement THIS" Rather than going "THIS will ruin the game. What the hell are they thinking?!" on things we don't know for sure are going to be in the game or are the final product?

There aren't too many people like that on here. Just don't worry about them and the problem will go away by itself. They can say what they'd like, but they should know they're going to get flamed and trolled. Just no point in saying 'wait for beta'. That bandwagon is getting annoying.

DodgeIt · 2012-07-18, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

There aren't too many people like that on here. Just don't worry about them and the problem will go away by itself. They can say what they'd like, but they should know they're going to get flamed and trolled. Just no point in saying 'wait for beta'. That bandwagon is getting annoying.

Sorry, I'm English, we like queuing.

Klockan · 2012-07-18, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Carnage

OP has a point, just look at this pointless thread making claims before even being able to play and test said proposed concern...oh, wait... it was made by you... what a coincidence... trolling douche is both troll and douche...

That thread served its purpose. Now the tones in the threads are different, many have understood that vehicles will not be as expendable as they were in PS1. Also that thread wasn't a whine, it was a statement about how things will likely be, informing the masses if you will. No matter how much flack i took in that thread the message still got through and I have no problems with tons of idiots coming in and saying that I am at their level.

Marinealver · 2012-07-18, 07:07 AM

Nerf the Cactus!!!

Sledgecrushr · 2012-07-18, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by Klockan

That thread served its purpose. Now the tones in the threads are different, many have understood that vehicles will not be as expendable as they were in PS1. Also that thread wasn't a whine, it was a statement about how things will likely be, informing the masses if you will. No matter how much flack i took in that thread the message still got through and I have no problems with tons of idiots coming in and saying that I am at their level.

Thank you for your opinion. Until we get to play the game first hand we wont really know how often we can pull vehicles. There might very well be certs that maximize how often you can pull a certain vehicle. This is something we just dont know yet.