Base Design Philosophy: Defensibility

CodeVertigo · 2012-12-17, 01:51 AM

I made this thread on the Official Forums, but it appears that threads get buried pretty quickly there. In any case, I saw that there was some pretty decent discussion here, and I'd like to see what you guys think about this. Here's a link to my original post.

http://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/i...ibility.67960/

p0intman · 2012-12-17, 02:38 AM

defensibility is something they apparently want to nerf hardcore at any chance they get. don't expect much else, ive learned to keep my mouth shut about any place that can be used as a choke point against an approaching enemy, because every time I, or any other member of PG uses it smartly, it gets nerfed at a rapid pace. /bittervet

CodeVertigo · 2012-12-17, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by p0intman

defensibility is something they apparently want to nerf hardcore at any chance they get. don't expect much else, ive learned to keep my mouth shut about any place that can be used as a choke point against an approaching enemy, because every time I, or any other member of PG uses it smartly, it gets nerfed at a rapid pace. /bittervet

I see. Could you give me some examples of when they did this? I'm genuinely interested.

p0intman · 2012-12-17, 02:55 AM

techplants recently got nerfed because people were learning to use their layout to farm at.

scarred mesa skydock recently was overhauled from its former status as being able to be taken only by air

biolabs now have raised landing pads for jump pads, along with a few other nerfs to their defensibility but they mostly came pre-nerfed.

how many other examples do you want? shit, ive got a list somewhere to boot.

Canaris · 2012-12-17, 03:53 AM

base defense and infantry fighting, the dinosaurs of planetside 2

my own opinions on the matter are well documented

Sturmhardt · 2012-12-17, 04:46 AM

Yeah..they seem to hate defenders. I am gonna adapt and only attack in my he tank and farm infantry from now on, it seems like the devs want me to

p0intman · 2012-12-17, 06:33 AM

~in theory~ if general usage of infantry for combat were to decline enough, they'd be forced to show their hand and act to rectify the problem.

There is a way to exploit this theory if done on a large enough scale to force SOE's hand.

Again, ~in theory~, I am suggesting saying fuck infantry and using only liberators, heavy tanks, and lightnings with HE ammo on a mass scale so as to magnify the issue several fold in order to force a resolution.

Or you could do like me and not log in much anymore, and go play other games like EVE or WW2OL

Canaris · 2012-12-17, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by p0intman

~in theory~ if general usage of infantry for combat were to decline enough, they'd be forced to show their hand and act to rectify the problem.

There is a way to exploit this theory if done on a large enough scale to force SOE's hand.

Again, ~in theory~, I am suggesting saying fuck infantry and using only liberators, heavy tanks, and lightnings with HE ammo on a mass scale so as to magnify the issue several fold in order to force a resolution.

Or you could do like me and not log in much anymore, and go play other games like EVE or WW2OL

while in theory I like it, however that would mean I'd be as bad as all the people who never get out of their metal holes..... shame but it might just be the former and I'll go play else where until SOE figure out there's more to planetside than cars and planes

Rahabib · 2012-12-17, 12:04 PM

it seems that lately they are gimping defense (moving gens outside etc.) instead of making bases more defensible. so yea, dont expect anything.

Crator · 2012-12-17, 01:05 PM

Arclegger has recently shown interest in more defensable designs. He stated in the thread that they did not have enough time to do all these things before planned launch.

Check here: [Suggestion] Outpost Spawn Design (based on existing building)

Aaron · 2012-12-17, 01:46 PM

I heard Clegg likes it when defense suggestions are illustrated visually. That's probably the best why to get your idea across.

But I'm hoping they'll focus on base design after finishing the next cont.

maradine · 2012-12-17, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

scarred mesa skydock recently was overhauled from its former status as being able to be taken only by air

This is the one that pisses me off. Skydock was a gem to assault and hold.

Whiteagle · 2012-12-17, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by maradine

This is the one that pisses me off. Skydock was a gem to assault and hold.

Hey I complained about that in BETA!
It's horrific when you have a base that CANNOT be approached by Infantry, period.

p0intman · 2012-12-17, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteagle

Hey I complained about that in BETA!
It's horrific when you have a base that CANNOT be approached by Infantry, period.

Sure you can.
2x galaxies, both fitted with mortars on either engine/wing section
12x troops for each galaxy, minus 5 people each (1x pilot, 4 gunners (2x wing gunners, 1 tail gunner, 1 top gunner)) equals roughly 14 guys on the ground securing the base with two orbiting galaxy gunships able to cover the point/spawn and any other buildings/areas around the base.

As for spawns, have a sunderer set up at the bottom and use a galaxy as a lift transport once the immediate area is secure if anyone dies. if done properly, one spawn beacon with proper placement for each squad should be enough for each team. the squad leader should never also be the galaxy pilot or one of the main gunners for this reason.

Taking it isn't that hard, this was an unneeded nerf.

unless of course, the people defending it were better organised than you and had fucktons of AA in which case, your life as a pilot was made miserable.

Either way, a step backwards for the game, because, my fucking god, a base in an MMOFPS that requires a level of teamwork and personal skill to take is horrific and absurd.

Whiteagle · 2012-12-17, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

unless of course, the people defending it were better organised than you and had fucktons of AA in which case, your life as a pilot was made miserable.

Yes, because people don't just camp there with AA or anything...