I see no room for new vehicle implementation.

NewSith · 2012-12-26, 06:48 PM

I was just thinking, with the customized weaponry system, there's not really that many new vehicles that can be put into the game.

These are the ones I came up with:
- Buggies
No comment, really. NS Harasser to be precise.
- HMMWV's
Empire Specific, I'd like to point out. I'd really love to see some armored light vehicle, that can carry half the number of troops Sunderer can carry.
- 3-man Tanks
IMO, it's easy to do, you add a 3-man tank, that can take a solo-MBT one on one, but making a cost less, giving players a hint that teamwork is good.
- Artillery Platforms
This is obviously disputable, but as far as it is only semi-indirect fire, many players can manage.
- ATV's gunner seat
Like in BF, Halo, whatever... Many people just play "my best friend and I" game, and they will love it. I will love it.
- 2-man ES Attack Aircrafts
Basically 2-man ESFs, a little bit slower, a little bit more bulky, with second pilot having control over an extra gun.
- Hovercopter
Because Liberator, in all fairness, is a bomber. And Flying Libercopter with shredder is not that fun, because it lacks the proper agility on one hand and vulnerability on the other.

And then it struck me... We already have that all in the game. Devs will not change any existing vehicles now, because some people wasted money on them and they will not add any vehicles that are just copies of others.

Thus all we will see is buggies and 2-man ESFs. *Sad Panda*

Disclaimer: I know what you first thoughts are and I understand perfectly that in this vehicle-heavy game, having MORE vehicles to chose from is not appreciated. But let's leave the "broken game mechanic" talk for some other thread, shall we?

Anyone else ever thought about it?

StumpyTheOzzie · 2012-12-26, 07:08 PM

Most of these vehicles are small variants.

I want galaxy gunship with 4 daltons and 7 Walker30s and a pilot.

I want ubergal with 30 seats and in-built ejector seats.

proper bangbus with 8 gunners and 30 seats.

as you say: giving players a hint that teamwork is good.

Sunrock · 2012-12-26, 07:20 PM

PS2 can always do what 40k did and implant Titans...

Would take a full squad to operate perhaps.

NewSith · 2012-12-26, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sunrock

PS2 can always do what 40k did and implant Titans...

There is an old saying - never remind PS2 devs about anything that resembles a BFR.

Figment · 2012-12-26, 09:36 PM

Said that when they said they would customize units into all roles.

One reason ps1 had so many vehicles, was niche roles and teamwork. Now that the Lightning already has an aa turret, the actual Skyguard two-men buggy is pretty superfluous.

In all honesty. I hate that.

They can still differentiate in armour density, turret rotation speed, minor speed and agility differences, like WoT, but due to the solo vehicles, teamwork vehicles are in this vehicle balance state simply redundant aa they couldn't be as effective as two solo vehicles, which everyone can pull too. Add more vehicles, less forced infantry choice too.

Bocheezu · 2012-12-26, 11:43 PM

The vehicles themselves are pretty fleshed out, but there's a lot of room for different turret types. High damage turrets with long range and long reloads (NOT Flail-like range), lower damage weapons with short range and fast reloads, etc. It should be analagous to HA LMGs where there's 5-6 options (instead of just 3). Turret rotation speed, like described above.

AThreatToYou · 2012-12-27, 01:01 AM

Did you forget about unique vehicles?

Phantasm? I mean, that's a stretch for unique, but give us some room here.
Hoverbike? WHO THE FUCK WOULD NOT LOVE A HOVERBIKE?
A hoverbike with a flamethrower that can melt tanks
Or, like, I dunno, a tractor? LOL Put guns on it and a big bladed snow plow.

Thunderhawk · 2012-12-27, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Bocheezu

The vehicles themselves are pretty fleshed out, but there's a lot of room for different turret types. High damage turrets with long range and long reloads (NOT Flail-like range), lower damage weapons with short range and fast reloads, etc. It should be analagous to HA LMGs where there's 5-6 options (instead of just 3). Turret rotation speed, like described above.

Not being funny, but as long as the render distance is shit as it is now, then we don't need any long range weapons, if Enemy don't render above 200-300 meters then your shells wont hit anything, unless you're hitting other vehicles, and even then you're limited to 600-800 meter range.

Thunderhawk · 2012-12-27, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by Sunrock

PS2 can always do what 40k did and implant Titans...

Would take a full squad to operate perhaps.

I still believe having these things in the game would not be fun, unless of course, they are on long timers and you dont see more than 3-4 per faction on a given continent, with MBTs and rest all around them.

basically the equivalent of this

Sturmhardt · 2012-12-27, 06:04 AM

Even though I put a lot of certs into my vanguard, I would love to see them change it to a 3 man vehicle.

I agree on all the other points, I don't see useful room for any other vehicle right now, we already have everything that makes sense. I really hope they don't put in something as OP as BFRs were that fucks up the whole balance.

Qwan · 2012-12-27, 06:48 AM

I think they need to ad more two to three man vehicles. I think were missing vehicles that can help improve the game quit abit.

1. We need fast assault vehicles, the sundy is to slow, the tank doesnt carry enough, and the lightning dont get me started on that useless piece of *&%$

2. A fast assault air vehicle, faster and more manuvarable 6 to 8 man troop carrier. The gal just cant do it and thats, even with cert upgrades.

3. A tank were the damn driver control the turret, It sucks and is unrealistic. I mean the lightning is ok but I hate the fact that I have to navigate the map ensure the turret is pointed in the right direction, and when I start getting hit, I run into a wall because I cant see nothing around me.

4. Artillary pieces, this would be nice.

5. And were is my damn orbital strike

6. Vehicles were the damn driver drives and the gunner actually guns.

If you look at the vehicle set up in PS2 there are only three vehicles were the driver is not the gunner, the lib (somewhat), gal, and sundy. Everything else the damn driver is the shooter. I want more vehicles were the driver does one thing and that is DRIVE!!!, and the gunner does one thing and that is GUN!!!!, what the fuck do they have the built in chat system for, so the gunner can talk to the driver. I really hope that this isnt the end of there vehicle input because if it is then PS2 is circling the toilet bowl and fast.

P.S. Ill still play it though. And no BFR's OMFG please no.

Figment · 2012-12-27, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Sunrock

PS2 can always do what 40k did and implant Titans...

Would take a full squad to operate perhaps.

Yes, let's make the zerg even more unstoppable for small groups.

You meant to say there's no zerg problem perceived as is?

RykerStruvian · 2012-12-27, 08:53 AM

Like the OP was stating, this game doesn't really offer much of a reason to introduce new vehicles. Every vehicle in the game as it stands fits multiple roles with the different turrets which can be swapped out. Not only that but if new vehicles were introduced, they would have to somehow be a direct uprade and initially better than predecessors to follow the BIGGER IS BETTER mantra.

ie: superflyingfortresscarriers

igster · 2012-12-27, 09:03 AM

There is loads of room in this game for more vehicles. The lightning as AA is utter crap compared to the PS1 skyguard. If there was a Skyguard variant with a more lethal AA gun and a dedicated driver then I'd pull that over the stupid lightning any day. Try keeping constant fire on an ESF at the moment while out manouvering it's stupid rocket spam in a lightning. As with the PS1 lightning you'll end up sinking the tank into a tree every time - especially if they implement any hossin like continents.

With the TR and NC footzerging between bases an awful lot, a fast anti infantry buggy like the marauder would be awesome in this game. Fast enough to outrun the tanks, mobile enough to dodge ESF Rocket Spam.

I wouldn't even mind BFRs in this game. Although the balance between these and liberators wouldn't realy mesh... since liberators are actually too good against all ground vehicles.

Also the number of times sunderers run around with 1/12 in them is bonkers. As with the old game, distinction between AMS function and mass ground transport would be a nice variation. Even if it is variation in the 1 vehicle.

Routers.. Now these would be a good tactical variation don't you think? Give the meta game a bit more variety. Sneak a router into that better designed defensible base. (Bases atm are basically impossible to defend)

Mavvvy · 2012-12-27, 09:19 AM

6 man aerial light transport. A bit smaller then the size of a lib but fast and very lightly armed.

Something similar in role as the above but also ground based.

Not really a new vehicle but I would freakin love it, a Dual skyguard attachment on a mbt chasis kinda like that Russian Tunguska AAA vehicle (except without the missiles) wouldn't work too good on a mag though ha!