I stand corrected by the Harasser

Rolfski · 2013-06-12, 01:39 PM

Just before it was released, I started a topic about the tactical value of the Harasser. I had my doubts back then, mainly because you had to trade in a driver and I was not sure what a single Harasser could do what two Flashes or two Lightnings couldn't do.
Obviously to say, I stand corrected now, that thing is borderline OP.

Max out your turbo and composite armor, put a Halberd on it and you can become a tank hunter with that thing, its just too fast and too tanky for tanks to properly respond.
The average life span of a Sunderer has now officially been halved and these vehicles have become impossible to protect.
And with a magazine maxed out Fury on it, you rape through entire squads like nobody's business while road-killing like a boss.

Recently, a few team mates went to town with that thing and got an Auraxium metal within a day or so and on reddit you frequently hear about people getting 300+ kill strikes with it.

So yes, that the Harasser has definitely proved its value: It's probably the no 1 kill farmer now.

maradine · 2013-06-12, 01:44 PM

I'm a little miffed that it does almost everything an MBT does better than an MBT, but not enough to not use it. So I guess there's that.

PredatorFour · 2013-06-12, 02:09 PM

Que Flavour of the month playstyle followed by OP threads. I had one of these harrass my magrider earlier... they died

Rbstr · 2013-06-12, 02:13 PM

I like the Harrasser, but really disagree with your conclusion.
It's good at some things and lots of fun to drive around but it's certainly not capable of more destruction than a tank. It's only got half the guns, no where near the armor.
There's never really been a situation my Sauron(or Halberd) Harasser can farm that my Sauron Mag couldn't have done.
And as a mag driver I've never had much problem dealing with them except in larger groups.

Now in a lightning things are a bit more even.

Wahooo · 2013-06-12, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfski

So yes, that the Harasser has definitely proved its value: It's probably the no 1 kill farmer now.

um... how about the harasser has proved that dedicated drivers are everything that the PS1 crowd has been saying they are since pre-tech test when we heard that MBTs would have dirver as the main gunner?

The harasser as a platform is not that powerful or great compared to an MBT... IF a typical MBT had a dedicated driver... or the mag had a similar set-up to PS1 where the driver's gun was more of a secondary gun and a gunner had the turret.

Baneblade · 2013-06-12, 04:07 PM

Harassers live up to their name... finally. I still prefer the Paladin er.. Vanguard for most scenarios though.

My preference of the Vanguard over the Harasser is despite the driver = main gunner thing.

GeoGnome · 2013-06-12, 04:19 PM

I love being a harasser driver. Just sit back and play GTA: Auraxis.

I wish they would legitimatize some way that people could mic spam music, so I could put freaking speakers on the thing, and fly around playing decent music the whole while.

But here is the thing... Harasser just isn't the go-to vehicle for everything. It is decidedly a support vehicle. You -can- go toe to toe with tanks and infantry... but your better off... well Harassing people. I don't see that roll changing either.

I really hope SOE learns from this thing, and just makes the tanks have a dedicated driver now... either by making them 3 seat, or by giving command of the top gun to the driver. Either of those options would work.

Figment · 2013-06-12, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Wahooo

um... how about the harasser has proved that dedicated drivers are everything that the PS1 crowd has been saying they are since pre-tech test when we heard that MBTs would have dirver as the main gunner?

The harasser as a platform is not that powerful or great compared to an MBT... IF a typical MBT had a dedicated driver... or the mag had a similar set-up to PS1 where the driver's gun was more of a secondary gun and a gunner had the turret.

Wait what? Did we say that crewed units were more efficient at movement firing making the unit far more dynamic and therefore fun and possible to use in more than one manner while driving and gunning leads to static mobile turreting gameplay?

Rubbish, who would we ever have said that?

The one thing that kinda bugs me as a semi-exploit (intended) is having an engineer switch from gunner seat to the rear outrepairing the damage you deal to it.

There's no downtime weakness to exploit as opponent, aside from resupplying ammo. Which, since you can simply drive by a number of times, isn't real downtime either.

PredatorFour · 2013-06-12, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Figment

Wait what? Did we say that crewed units were more efficient at movement firing making the unit far more dynamic and therefore fun and possible to use in more than one manner while driving and gunning leads to static mobile turreting gameplay?

Rubbish, who would we ever have said that?

I believe people in this very thread were calling us 'bitter vets' for wanting a dedicated mbt driver

With how fun it is on harrasser... one can only hope they see the light with mbts too.

Rolfski · 2013-06-12, 05:49 PM

oops double post

Rolfski · 2013-06-12, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

There's never really been a situation my Sauron(or Halberd) Harasser can farm that my Sauron Mag couldn't have done.

You know that Saurons on Magriders are as borderline OP, right?

As on the whole dedicated driver discussion, which I could have known a topic like this in a forum like this would turn into: It's irrelevant.
If something is borderline OP or downright OP with a dedicated driver no matter what, that really doesn't change the balance discussion imo. Dedicated driver balance discussions should always be around the topic how balanced it is vs two single player vehicles imo.

Chaff · 2013-06-12, 06:10 PM

^
Rolfski makes such a strong & succint case to support his claim, that his comment has in itself become an OP(inion), and hence his post should be banned.
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Wahooo · 2013-06-12, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfski

As on the whole dedicated driver discussion, which I could have known a topic like this in a forum like this would turn into: It's irrelevant.
If something is borderline OP or downright OP with a dedicated driver, that really doesn't change the balance discussion imo. Dedicated driver balance discussions should always be around the topic how balanced it is vs two single player vehicles imo.

How is it irrelevant?
You honestly believe the dedicated driver/separate gunner is not a factor in this vehicle being a good choice?

You believe that this harasser if you removed the gunner and made it driver-gunned would still be the same level of borderline OP? crazy talk, the whole reason this vehicle is useful at all is the separate driver gunner so how is that NOT the main talking point?
This vehicle compares to two lightnings how? or three if you count the rumble seat right? So if it is borderline OP why would 3 people choose this over 3 lightnings? Because the separate driver gunner allows the use of the vehicles mobility. Fully relevant.

maradine · 2013-06-12, 06:39 PM

And there the thread goes, charging into the abyss.

Dougnifico · 2013-06-12, 06:47 PM

The harasser is an awesome asset. I still chew them up with my prowler though. Anchor 4 is a bitch to beat. lol