ESF pilots revolt!!!!

snafus · 2013-08-01, 09:53 PM

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/

It seems someone has thought it was a good idea to bring nerfs to vertical thrust for ESF. The above link mentions their new change they have placed on the test server. Now if you enjoy the amazing flight mechanics that PS2 gives to us then please share your thoughts on the proposed changes.

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/

These are two post that are actively against these changes taking place on the live server. Please share your opinion as this is something that needs to be discussed and scrutinized greatly.

Edit: I was wanting to try and make a comparison video myself but Sebdollar on ps2 offcial forums did this video. Just gives everyone a visual difference on the PST versus live.

DarkBalths · 2013-08-01, 09:59 PM

To be honest, ESFs shouldn't be able to hover at all. They're jet fighters, not helicopters. One of the reasons so many people bitch about ESFs and people lolpodding is because they can just hover and farm. Nerfing the flat-out vertical thrust is a step in the right direction. ESFs really shouldn't be able to go under 100kph, unless they're landing.
That's my opinion.

Stardouser · 2013-08-01, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by DarkBalths

To be honest, ESFs shouldn't be able to hover at all. They're jet fighters, not helicopters. One of the reasons so many people bitch about ESFs and people lolpodding is because they can just hover and farm. Nerfing the flat-out vertical thrust is a step in the right direction. ESFs really shouldn't be able to go under 100kph, unless they're landing.
That's my opinion.

This. Nerf(not remove, just nerf; maybe have a transition to hover time?) hovering and increase pre-afterburner cruise speed by 75 or so across the board, and add some big hit 1 shot weapons.

snafus · 2013-08-01, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by DarkBalths

To be honest, ESFs shouldn't be able to hover at all. They're jet fighters, not helicopters. One of the reasons so many people bitch about ESFs and people lolpodding is because they can just hover and farm. Nerfing the flat-out vertical thrust is a step in the right direction. ESFs really shouldn't be able to go under 100kph, unless they're landing.
That's my opinion.

Issue is Dark is that they went with a VTOL aircraft setup. Now if they kept a fixed wing aircraft concept from beta then that is what we would all be used to. Currently to take away our ability to quickly transfer from hover to forward flight along with vertical thrust strips us of our ability to compete in game.

Good pilots will be using vertical thrust for almost every aspect of the game. Any good A2G pilot will more then likely need to pop into a hover to put an entire magazine of rockets on a target to get that one kill. Or while dog fighting you will need to execute a reverse maneuver to get an angle on your opponent.

Now vertical thrust changes are not the end of the world. For me personally I will un sub and probably not play the game anymore. Simply due to I love the unique flight mechanics that PS2 offer. If I was after a more generic flight based game I would go for BF3 or the multitudes of other flight based mmo's out there currently. Not attacking you either man just kind of heated over SOE turning against their flying community without even speaking to any of it.

CrankyTRex · 2013-08-01, 11:47 PM

I'd have to see the changes in action before making a judgment, but I've also long thought they needed to decide if these things are helos or jets and go with it.

Personally I'd prefer more jet-like flight mechanics since I find the current system rather limiting.

Ghoest9 · 2013-08-01, 11:56 PM

ESF should have had vertical thrust(other than take off) from the start.

phungus · 2013-08-02, 12:00 AM

Time to stop paying money if you have a subrscription and fly an ESF. I was planning on dropping around $50 with the ESF update, but that's not going to happen now that my main enjoyment and really entire reason I play this game is getting straight up removed.

But really Snafu we're not that important, the game will go on. But if you fly an ESF, money talks and you should immediately pull yours.

Also Star Citizen will make this all moot.

snafus · 2013-08-02, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by phungus

Time to stop paying money if you have a subrscription and fly an ESF. I was planning on dropping around $50 with the ESF update, but that's not going to happen now that my main enjoyment and really entire reason I play this game is getting straight up removed.

But really Snafu we're not that important, the game will go on. But if you fly an ESF, money talks and you should immediately pull yours.

Also Star Citizen will make this all moot.

Pretty much, already planning on buying another ship on star citizen. Think the hornet may end up being my next purchase for them. As far as ps2 goes, I will keep my sub until they go through with this nonsense. I still have hope that they wont be this dumb once community reaction gets out.

phungus · 2013-08-02, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

ESF should have had vertical thrust(other than take off) from the start.

Why?

I've never once heard a good argument as to why ESFs shouldn't fly the way they do. ESFs in PS2 are the most engaging video game experience I know of. The only people that complain about them view PS2 as an infantry based game, and simply want ESFs nerfed/removed. You are aparently getting what you want, and ESF gameplay is being removed as we currently know it, and PS2 will be going to a poor man's BF3 flight model... yipee that sounds like great gameplay...

Again though, why, other then the fact you hate ESFs and you want them removed, do you think it's a good idea to destroy the unique and incredibly engaging/high skill cap ESF gameplay currently in PS2?

Isokon · 2013-08-02, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by snafus

Now vertical thrust changes are not the end of the world. For me personally I will un sub and probably not play the game anymore. Simply due to I love the unique flight mechanics that PS2 offer. If I was after a more generic flight based game I would go for BF3 or the multitudes of other flight based mmo's out there currently. Not attacking you either man just kind of heated over SOE turning against their flying community without even speaking to any of it.

The mechanic did not change, only it's output value was decreased. If the effect of ABs on vertical thrust had been higher and was now changed to the level it has on live, would you also threaten to leave? Where is the threshold?

phungus · 2013-08-02, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Isokon

The mechanic did not change, only it's output value was decreased. If the effect of ABs on vertical thrust had been higher and was now changed to the level it has on live, would you also threaten to leave? Where is the threshold?

Yeah, I spoke too soon.

Just checked the test server, the changes do not wreck the flight model. Much ado about nothing if this is the change.

I consider tweaks like that par for the course and part of the development process the devs have outlined here.

GeoGnome · 2013-08-02, 12:18 AM

I have nothing useful to put forward as I am not a pilot. Dedicated pilots definetely have an opinion, and with an issue like this I would say that their opinions should be the one most listened to. To be frank, they are the ones this effects the most, it's their portion of the sandbox.

That said, this whole thing is giving me flashbacks of the proposed C4 nerf about a month ago. Not saying it isn't likely that this could happen, just saying that I wouldn't be shocked if the outcry meant that the whole thing went away inside of a week.

snafus · 2013-08-02, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by Isokon

The mechanic did not change, only it's output value was decreased. If the effect of ABs on vertical thrust had been higher and was now changed to the level it has on live, would you also threaten to leave? Where is the threshold?

It being decreased is a change Isokon. You will only be able to perform capable vertical thrust with the planned cert tree from after fuel pods. Leaving everyone else with a dumbed down experience that is planned to lower the skill ceiling to be more new player friendly.

Not to mention how badly A2G pilots will suffer as they will be forced to do hit and run attacks with already pitiful weapons. Taking pilots ability to stay mobile while in a hover position is critical in PS2 as all the past balance sweeps have been built around that system.

And back during live it was only the Reaver that had a OP vertical thrust capability, and it was rightfully corrected. The current system is a thing of beauty as pilots have so much freedom in game. Giving PS2 a unique and skill demanding flight aspect. As I said on an earlier post why fix something that is simply not broken.

phungus · 2013-08-02, 02:23 AM

Things seemed fine on test Snafu. Granted I flew my hover sythe, but while manuevering differently, it only felt tweaked and I could still manuever just fine.

ChipMHazard · 2013-08-02, 03:15 AM

Personally I had hoped that they were going to make the ESF combat less about circling your enemy and more akin to conventional dogfighting. I'm not a fan of how ESFs work and I've grown bored of dogfighting, but I don't see this change actually changing anything major. Not sure why SOE is targeting the reverse maneuver, but this might be something that has to be seen alongside the incoming ESF changes. Or it may just be because they see that maneuver as being an unfair advantage or they just want to try and change things up a bit.

I do think this thread is just like Phungus wrote; much ado about nothing. Or rather I don't see it being as terrible as some of the comments, that I've read on Reddit and the official forum, and this thread title seem to claim.