Which do you think is easier?

War Barney · 2014-06-25, 08:19 PM

Fire a NC gun or tame a bull thats been castrated by bricks? Personally I think the bull would be easier, I imagine they wouldn't swing about as wildly as a NC gun after 2 shots.

And a side question! which is easier, breathing in or firing a VS gun. Personally I'd say the VS gun is probably easier, sure its natural to breath in and we do it everyday all day but VS guns almost fire and hit themselves, you don't need to do anything, they are literally 1 step away from just giving the VS guns which automatically fire when your cursor moves over an enemy.

Gimpylung · 2014-06-25, 11:10 PM

The grass is always greener...

Mind you the fence isn't really a barrier, you can cross it any time you like.

BlaxicanX · 2014-06-25, 11:50 PM

"Grass is greener" indeed.

That said, after playing NC and TR for so long, I nearly cried tears of euphoria after firing the Orion for the first time with my new Vanu toon. The feeling is equivalent to when I fired the CARV for the first time after maining NC.

I have no doubt that NC guns are very effective once you get the hang of them. But as far as "feeling" go, I'd say using NC weapons feel the least satisfying. They're so damn clunky.

War Barney · 2014-06-26, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by BlaxicanX

"Grass is greener" indeed.

That said, after playing NC and TR for so long, I nearly cried tears of euphoria after firing the Orion for the first time with my new Vanu toon. The feeling is equivalent to when I fired the CARV for the first time after maining NC.

I have no doubt that NC guns are very effective once you get the hang of them. But as far as "feeling" go, I'd say using NC weapons feel the least satisfying. They're so damn clunky.

Exactly, a very experienced player can handle the NC guns after spending a few months getting use to the INSANE recoil, the VS guns though don't have any recoil so you have nothing to get use to and just land every shot every time no matter the range. I remember when I started playing people told me the SAW was a long range gun.. what a joke that was, the recoil is like being hit by a planet.

Sometimes I wonder if they purposefully made VS easy mode as a marketing ploy, a faction which is so incredibly easy the new players can start there (and most will thanks to laser and flying tanks) and just slaughter everybody! then when they feel experienced enough they move onto one of the challenging factions.

And yes I've play VS and TR, TR guns are definitely better than NC ones but the VS guns after playing NC it feels like they have no recoil at all, hell the first time I shot a VS gun after playing NC for a while I ended up shooting the ground under the target as I compensated as I would normally for a NC gun =p (and I started aiming at the head). Everytime I play my VS I find it hard to not get a 5 kill streak, the orion for example is just so amazing compare to the other factions heavy guns, it has the hip-fire of a carbine and I don't think it actually has recoil, that or its so low you can't notice it without specialist scientific equipment.

Gimpylung · 2014-06-26, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by War Barney

Sometimes I wonder if they purposefully made VS easy mode as a marketing ploy, a faction which is so incredibly easy the new players can start there (and most will thanks to laser and flying tanks) and just slaughter everybody! then when they feel experienced enough they move onto one of the challenging factions.

My Flamebait senses are tingling.

I invite you to play VS on Miller, you can then reassess your opinions.

libbmaster · 2014-06-26, 09:48 AM

This is insane. This thread is still up? People are still replying to it?

A copy of the OP is in every dictionary, next to "troll".

This guy has been going around lately spreading ill will and mean thoughts. Some one please lock!

War Barney · 2014-06-26, 11:06 AM

Threads like this keep appearing cos its so obvious to everybody that the VS guns are vastly superior to the other factions gun. Shooters are all accuracy and the VS guns are focused on accuracy while the NC guns are focused on not having a good aim.. seems pretty stupid really.

And I've played VS, the server doesn't make a difference except maybe miller VS are completely incompetent idiots, the guns are the same on every server, no recoil to speak of and same TTK meaning vastly superior to other factions.

STOMPIE · 2014-06-26, 06:11 PM

Very interesting read. Im totally new to Planetside and i cannot wait until its release on PS4. I wonder if the same opinions will be shared by console players on this topic???

ringring · 2014-06-27, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by STOMPIE

Very interesting read. Im totally new to Planetside and i cannot wait until its release on PS4. I wonder if the same opinions will be shared by console players on this topic???

Undoubtedly. There are always people on every side saying such and such is OP or UP or game-breaking.

The best thing to do is ignore them, I'm sure the devs do.

If you want to look at balance my opinion would be to look at the macro level. ie ie one empire winning everything while being underpopped? Is either armour/infantry/aircraft winning/losing everything despite having more/less people play that style? ---- and so on.

my personal opinion is the infantry is balanced pretty much, the fact that rocket one-shot grunts is poor, infiltraitors with smg's is easy-mode but then if they form a large proportion of my kills. - I'm sure there's a few things that get my goat and there are ....

War Barney · 2014-06-27, 08:37 AM

Well its more the TR and NC know full well the VS are OP and complain about it a lot but the devs have decided to make VS the beginners faction so they just ignore it.

To put it simply, all the factions gear has a special feature, the NC gear hits harder per bullet but shooters slower, the TR shoots faster but does less damage a bullet, and the VS are in the middle ground for both but have incredibly accurate gun...

Now I'm sure you can already see how obvious it is that the VS are OP but to finalise the point all the factions guns have pretty much the same TTK (time to kill).. and as you can see the TR and NC faction bonus is basically a damage based one.. but the TTK for everybody is the same so basically we have a cosmetic bonus which does nothing. The VS however their bonus DOES have an affect as the TTK calculation were based on every shot hitting.

Ok well thats how obvious it is the infantry is OP handled, now the MBT (main battle tank). What is the most important thing in a shooter? maneuverability of course! So what does the TR and NC tank get? well the TR tank gets to root itself in place... so thats completely against the most important thing, and the NC tank gets a shield now I wont say thats useless its pretty handy so TR definitely get shafted the most here BUT the VS.. THEY get a afterburner and are a hover tank so can instantly move in any direction to side step shots fired at them, and there are force fields that stop tanks getting into bases, but the VS MBT can afterburner over cliffs to get inside before its down.

Now for air, well again in the air maneuverability is most important and here again the VS have the advantage, their ESF (empire specific fighter) their fighter is far more maneuverable than the others and is paper thing making it very hard to hit.

So... there you have it, you can see it for yourself when you play, I saw the worst off it right off the bat as I started as a heavy, the VS heavy gets the orion which has the hip-fire of a carbine so you don't need to ADS (aim down sight) most of the time and when you DO ADS theres almost no recoil so its incredibly easy to hit every shot. The NC get the GAUSS SAW though, this gun has HUGE recoil and a hip fire accuracy so bad you'll literally not hit ANYTHING with it unless they are toe to toe with you, even then you'll miss a few shots. And you might think "well surely the orion has a much lower TTK to make up for this"... no it has about the same as the GAUSS SAW.... it just hits more often.

Babyfark McGeez · 2014-06-27, 10:08 AM

Bwahahahaha...wait, you are being serious with this?

Well then, just for the record:
The only thing being "easymode" in a Planetside game of permanently uneven teams on a massive scale is joining the overpopulated faction.

Besides, if VS would truely be that vastly superior don't you think that the regular, highly opportunistic, PS2 player would join them? Surprisngly though he doesn't, he rather hops onto the overpopulated faction. Why? Because as i mentioned, that is the "easymode", not some faction traits that may or may not give an advantage in a hypothetical 1on1 scenario.

War Barney · 2014-06-27, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Babyfark McGeez

Bwahahahaha...wait, you are being serious with this?

Well then, just for the record:
The only thing being "easymode" in a Planetside game of permanently uneven teams on a massive scale is joining the overpopulated faction.

Besides, if VS would truely be that vastly superior don't you think that the regular, highly opportunistic, PS2 player would join them? Surprisngly though he doesn't, he rather hops onto the overpopulated faction. Why? Because as i mentioned, that is the "easymode", not some faction traits that may or may not give an advantage in a hypothetical 1on1 scenario.

Just because zerg warefare overcome the imbalance doesn't mean the imbalance doesn't exist, theres just another issue which ruins the game even more than that. However the balance problem can be fixed, zerging is something I doubt will ever be solved and is sadly why pvp MMOs never really work, in small games with set teams of say 32v32 you have balance, in MMOs theres no way to balance it except setting a limit on the number of people in each area that forces the numbers to be even which nobody would want.

And no its not just 1v1 that the VS have an advantage, its any fight thats not a huge zerg fest, if the forces are about 50/50 the VS will have an advantage thanks to their gear just being superior and easy to use. Yes NC and TR can get as good as VS players but they need to play a lot more to learn how to compensate for their guns (and even then some things you can't make up for like hover tanks), a VS player doesn't need to learn to compensate for their guns ever cos they have almost no recoil or bullet drop.

DynamoECT · 2014-06-27, 11:58 AM

It's a commonly held thought that Vanu is easy mode and the other two factions are much harder. Commonly held by idiots that is. Idiots with a paranoid sense that SOE are somehow invested in making a deliberately unbalanced game.

We've seen the OP post similar stupid ideas for months on here, then return obsessively to disagree with everyone who posts any contrary ideas. One day it might be that Warbarney thinks that snipers should be banned. Then it's medics are spoiling the game. And then this old favourite comes back too. Disagree with him? Well you're just wrong! His sense of entitlement outweighs any rational thought you might have!

It's getting boring now. If he put as much work into practising getting good as he does bitching in here he'd have a level 100 by now instead of that rather low-average looking BR67 scrub on his signature.

War Barney · 2014-06-27, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by DynamoECT

It's a commonly held thought that Vanu is easy mode and the other two factions are much harder. Commonly held by idiots that is. Idiots with a paranoid sense that SOE are somehow invested in making a deliberately unbalanced game.

We've seen the OP post similar stupid ideas for months on here, then return obsessively to disagree with everyone who posts any contrary ideas. One day it might be that Warbarney thinks that snipers should be banned. Then it's medics are spoiling the game. And then this old favourite comes back too. Disagree with him? Well you're just wrong! His sense of entitlement outweighs any rational thought you might have!

It's getting boring now. If he put as much work into practising getting good as he does bitching in here he'd have a level 100 by now instead of that rather low-average looking BR67 scrub on his signature.

I love how I've explained exactly why I believe VS to be OP and you have just thrown around a load of insults, I'm getting the feeling you just play VS and know full well they are OP and don't like it.

As for the other topics yes I don't like reviving so suggested some ways to fix it and other people suggested some other ways to fix it, same with sniping. You seem to be completely against anybody ever having a problem with the game or suggesting possible improvements.

Do you think the game is 100% perfect? or are you just such a fanboy that you think SOE could never do anything wrong and every balance and patch is perfection incarnate?

As for SOE wanting an imbalanced faction... it makes sense to have the faction people will try first nice and easy, hover tanks and lasers will draw most people to try out the VS first, yes not everybody will do that and not everybody will like the VS as a faction so they'll switch but in general a lot of people will start there. So it makes sense to make them a nice easy faction so new players don't get completely slaughtered by veteran players, the low recoil low bullet drop guns mean they can very easily compete with people who have had to spent months learning how to compensate for their weapons wild recoil and aiming above the target for bullet drop.

So.. ye.. not only is there a reason its a logical business reason, the last thing they want is new players starting out and getting completely dominated making them just quit.

Would you care to explain why you think the VS isn't OP? perhaps counter my argument that the TR and NC weapon bonus is redundant as the TTK is the same for everybody while the VS bonus of incredible accuracy gives them a edge? Or maybe you'd like to tell us how a tank that can easily side step shots and bypass gate shields (and doesn't randomly get stuck on pebbles) isn't OP compared to the huge lumbering brutes the other factions get? I'm guessing not... most likely another barrage of mindless abuse as if that proves your point.