Originally Posted by basti
Unlikley. At least i hope it doesnt happen (I hope you see this devs).
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It will, you'd be naieve if you think this farming can or should last. I wonder how maxed out SkyExile already was. 5 years to max out all he wants?
Highly doubt it.
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The game has a rather fine balance right now. If you get farmed by Air, then its because you didnt have enough Anti air / air of your own.
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AA sucks currently. As Higby stated "get ESF yourself, AA is only a deterent". Yeah, right. And for the record, got both G2A missiles AND Dual Burster.
G2A missiles are useless as the lock takes far longer than they can fire at you with AoE spampods, if you do get a lock, they immediately pop a flare and you can't hit them for 15 seconds total (including your first, lock, firing, last second flare, no relock period, relocking period, need three shots now). So G2A missiles are pretty useless now.
I don't mind three shot missiles to kill, that's fair enough since I still have an AI gun, I do mind the idiotic ease of dodging the missiles. I don't get Get out of jail cards against rocketpods either! And I don't have that many rockets by default either. By the time I get a second lock, the ESF is already long gone. So all I can do is pretend to lock on to them and hope that chases them off (which it generally doesn't). Against libs, ... yeah they get instakill shots every second and I get a long lock on timer which they can make even worse with stealth certs and useless with flare certs.
Great Basti, no really.
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If you get farmed by Tanks, then because you didnt have enough HA doing their job / Tanks of your own.
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Don't get farmed, I just don't like having to avoid combat completely. They want a piece of me, they can get it, but not when I can't fight back, so I abandon my post. Great fun losing territory to derpfits that way, isn't it? The intention behind defense in this game is leaving as soon as there's a group of tanks with line of sight on your spawn right? Even though that's always?
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Seriously, defending against HE tanks is easy. A few mines here and there, HA users not being stupid and bang, no tank will make it close.
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Why would they want to get in close? One farms with tanks from long distances... Unless you think 100-200m away from a door is close range. Close range is what I call 20m, yes, those tanks can be handled, still miss the trusty EMPs though.
Mines are completely useless at range and they're so useless for minefields people bring the mine TO the tank/Sundy, rather than the other way around. And don't tell me you place mines on every ridge line around a base, because you can't and couldn't even if you wanted to. Plus you'd be expected to cert heavily into it.
Which ironically only farmers can currently.
HA lock on doesn't work against hull down tanks (soon dumbfire is removed). Dumbfire is very slow, can't hit a strafing tank at 150+m, splash half a meter away from it does no damage at all (which at 150m is a pretty darn decent shot for a heavy ballistic slow projectile on a fast moving target), they can hit me fine at that range with higher rof, one hit high splash guns though even if I'm behind cover and have no wall behind me to splash on. That's accuracy and high shell velocity with minimal drop for you.
Tanks vs tanks is great, if you can actually get them there, same for backup Sundies - they're not cloaked remember, Libs are getting slightly smarter AND more omnipresent, while aircav get more and more rocketpods. So we need tanks to deal with tanks, air to deal with air, how about we just need our brain, good defensive positions, not facing OP cannons and whatever tool says "anti-this"?
Sorry Basti, but you're ignoring the problems with rose teinted glasses. Yes, you can avoid the problems by "adapting" and never stepping out of ones comfort zone (the zone provided with current tools). That zone is damn small and requires a large amount of troops, which is silly in itself, because this game should be designed for groups of all sizes.
Not sure how many people you have at your disposal on a regular basis basti, but we do about 1-1.5 squad and we don't want to be forced to go much bigger outside of inter-outfit events (tight group of players).
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Air is even simpler. Infantry Draw distance out of a lib is about 400m, well within range of any Burster maxes. Means your infantry can only get farmed if they didnt have bursters watching the skys.
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Have you used bursters lately? They're really crosseyed and don't kill anything at range, it's not like it's 1-2 dead Lib, more like several clips and... Lib dives behind a ridge and gets away. With two bursters we even have difficulty killing ESF due to ease of escape and it's not that I can't lead cause the red x's pop up plenty... It's almost as if you need a direct hit rather than a proximity shot though.
We're not talking about beta-flak here like the Super-Lightning Skyguard. Flak's been nerfed very, very hard and it's not strange that the amount of Liberators is increasing by the week.
2012-12-11, 11:57 AM
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