Originally Posted by War Barney
I really don't know where this made up math is coming from but my guns don't fire that fast.. the full auto hacksaw might but the non auto MAX shotguns sure as hell dont.
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http://planetside.wikia.com/wiki/AF-34_Mattock - which is current as of PU2 so that means NC max weapons are still the same. Look at the in game tooltips and everything matches except they have chamber time in game instead of RPM. I'm going to go with SOE being off on the tooltip in game because they are in other areas and are still missing vital information.
The old Google doc that hasn't been updated since November 2012 has the same RPMs as the Wikia. I seriously doubt the wikia is wrong.
Hacksaws are listed at 209RPM and 125 damage per shot.. so in CQC hacksaws are even more damage output than mattocks.
Using the mattock as my example which comes in at 180 RPM which is 3 shots per second. 60 X 3 = 180. That is simple math. Each shot puts 6 pellets down range at a maximum of 112 damage (for the mattock which is the lowest starting damage). 6 X 112 = 672.. but that is for 1 mattock.. not 2. So double the figures. 3 shots per second at 1,344 damage per shot or 1,344 damage every .33 seconds.. because 33 is 1/3 of 1. So you already did enough damage to kill someone in the first click of your mouse.. but a mere .33 seconds later you can double that damage to 2,688 damage.
TR's highest fire rate chaingun is 492RPM. 492RPM is 8.2 shots per second. Each bullet is 125 at max damage. Sounds like a good start right? No, wrong. Fail. So 8 shots per second is 1,000 damage. Since you have 2 chainguns you can divide the shots needed to kill by half. 8 shots in .5 seconds to hit 1,000 damage.
So it takes TR chainguns at the fastest fire rate .5 seconds to do 1,000 damage while in the same time frame you can pump out 2,688 damage with mattocks. Like I said.. hacksaws are even more damage in a shorter time frame. Hence why everyone feels NC maxes have too much burst damage for close quarters.
Originally Posted by Chewy
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Im 100% in favor of giving all MAXes NS weapon versions of a HMG and shotgun.
Hell, if this was PS1. Id be one of those guys that would setup meetings with another faction to trade weapons and ammo. Shame MAXes couldn't do that, but that's another game and another topic.
Im also not a fan of your idea of counting pellets the same as a bullet. Pellets have at least an additional spread of 2.5 to 4 added to the weapons base COF. When fisting someone that isn't going to make a damn but that spread is a major point as to why shotguns don't have range.
You fire 6 pellets at a time and you have no say to where they land. Could land hits with them all, could whiff with every one. Even within 10m if you don't aim center mass you have odds of whiffing or just landing 1-3 pellets. Get a speedy little fuck around you that is clipping into you as well, and you could even whiff an entire mag and not kill. Iv done that to MAXes and had that done to me.
Then you have damage values of pellets next to bullets. Pellets have 112-130 damage at most and start dropping at 8m-10m to a measly 45-75 at just 18m, Mattocks take their 70 to 30m. The damage in 3 out of the 4 weapons drop to 1/3 of what they start at within 10m. That's WELL under the size of a normal room and just longer than a hallway is wide in this game. So 3 out of the 4 NC MAX AI weapons have problems just going from one room to another. At least Mattocks keep most of their base damage while going across a room.
Add the pellet spread to the massive damage drop and you have something that can be countered by walking backwards 2-3 steps. Just getting from a spawn room to the cap point in most outposts is hell as a NC AI MAX. So much open ground that you have to hide from or be chipped away before being able to return that favor.
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You can't AIM chainguns any better than a shotgun. You can't ADS with a max gun. At least with the Heavy MCG you have a spread indicator to know roughly how wide your shots are going and max chainguns still have bloom like all other weapons on full auto. So the spread is just as valid in the debate... so yea, I will count each pellet as a bullet because it counts the same. Potential damage is potential damage.
The damage drop off is made up by the fact that you can fire .33 seconds after each shot. With each shot putting 12 bullets down range. You will have to be in medium range for TR to start to get an advantage and that still doesn't make up for the fact that it takes TR chainguns a minium of .5 seconds to kill a player without over shields without missing.. because you will miss.. you can't ADS and TR chainguns have bloom too.
How did SOE attempt to balance this? Oh yea, we will give NC longer reloads and TR can have larger ammo pools with higher fire rates.. because you know that all balances out right?
Also you left out that NC maxes are shields that they DO use to absorb damage that would have hit them. VS's ability makes them take more damage while they dish out damage.. so they aren't going to use that to cover ground. TR have lockdown... which is the exact opposite of moving forward. That is standing completely still and taking all the damage without a damage shield. So excuse me while I cry for any NC maxes harmed while making it from the spawn from to a building.
2014-02-19, 12:13 AM
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